Choosing a New Lap Top

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Choosing a New Lap Top

Postby Yin&Yang » Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:50 am

We are looking to buy a new lap top but have had no experience of doing so for many years, so any advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated :D .

A bit of background: for the last twenty plus years we have bought Apple products, i.e. We currently have a ten year old Mac which won't update to the latest operating system now, we have an iPad each, both about the same age as the Mac and we are slowly losing apps on these, e.g. Mine won't support Skype any more.

We are not wedded to Apple and indeed their products look out of our price bracket. We don't want to spend more than €1000 (less if we can) and we want a lap top which will enable us to do the typical things we do now - email, printing, internet searches, Skyping for example, including something like Word so that we can type letters, do spreadsheets. Is there a product which has these as a package or do we have to buy extra software?

ANY advice on where to begin would be welcome.
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Re: Choosing a New Lap Top

Postby Keltz » Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:32 am

Try comparing Notebook with Laptop to help focus on what you need as most will do what you want but at different costs, speeds, physical size and weight. Probably best stick to Windows 10 OS for future compatibility and best get a decent processor speed with Intel i5 or i7 good and AMD equivalent just as good and a bit cheaper + at least 4GB memory with standard now I think 8GB. Newer CPUs available at cost. A machine with SSD ( solid state drive ) is a bonus as machine will load very quickly although may have less disc space to store stuff but Cloud is now available cheap or free + USB drive can be plugged in, so might not be an issue. CD drives not available on all machines now. A good alternative to paid word processor/spreadsheet is WPS Office free to use, just register an email address. Feature rich with Cloud but does have occasional pop up ad not intrusive at all. Don't forget firewall/virus checker where some free ones are just as good as paid.

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Re: Choosing a New Lap Top

Postby Yin&Yang » Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:29 am

Wow, thank you! Am off to look into it all.
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Re: Choosing a New Lap Top

Postby BST » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:13 pm

I've got an old Macbook which still suits my needs but also a Google android tablet and smartphone using Google which syncs with the tablet. IF I was ever to buy a replacement for the Macbook, I would stick with something Google and avoid Microsoft and Apple. Something simple, relatively cheap which works with no messy updates!

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Re: Choosing a New Lap Top

Postby Kilkis » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:39 pm

I mostly agree with Keltz but a few other thoughts:

    1 Mobile processors are a bit slower than their desktop equivalents so it is worth going up a bit from basic, e.g. Intel i5 rather than Intel i3. I don't think an i7 is worth it unless you are into very intensive tasks like video editing or 3D game playing. I've no experience of AMD processors. I think that for equivalent specifications they are a bit cheaper but it depends what the word "equivalent" means. AMD processors tend to have more cores than Intel for a similar price so they tend to be better at running programs that benefit from multi-core capability, like video editing, and Intel tend to be better at single task processing. Not a major difference.
    2 SSD hard drives are much faster than mechanical hard drives so they are great for storing the operating system and all applications. Per GB they are more expensive so they are pricey if you need to store large amounts of data. If you don't store lots of files you can probably get away with just an SSD but somebody like Filippos with millions of photos would certainly need an additional hard drive. I think, like me, he uses a desktop PC so it is easy to have both. Some laptops also give you the option of both but not all do. As a rough guide I've got around 110 applications, including Windows 10 Professional and the whole Microsoft Office suite, which is quite big, stored on my SSD and it uses up less than 100 GB so a 500 GB SSD would leave you somewhere around 400 GB to store data files. Only you know if that is enough.
    3 Personally I would recommend Libre Office as an alternative to Microsoft Office. It looks and feels pretty much like MS Office, it can open most if not all documents produced by MS Office, it does not rely on cloud computing and it is completely free. It was a fork from Open Office which is also still available free. Both are available for Windows 10.
    4 I would tend to look for one with an IPS screen rather than TFT. They are a bit more expensive but the quality is much better and the image doesn't change with viewing angle. I find with TFT you are constantly adjusting the screen angle to get the best image. I prefer a non-reflective screen finish but that is a matter of personal taste. Non-reflective aren't quite as vibrant and punchy as a reflective screen but, as the name suggests, they don't suffer as much from irritating reflections.
    5 I do a lot of stuff with numbers so I prefer to have a numeric keypad alongside the alphanumeric one. Some laptops have one adn soem don't. Something to think about whether you would benefit from having one.
    6 Purely in alphabetic order Asus, Dell, HP and Lenovo seem to be pretty reliable makes. Lenovo used to be IBM before their laptop division was bought out by a Chinese company. I'm sure some other makes are pretty good but I have experience of these.

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Re: Choosing a New Lap Top

Postby Yin&Yang » Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:37 pm

Such a lot to consider and thank you all. Andrew is going to look into everything you have all brought to our attention and we shall now be able to make an informed decision. Shall let you know what we get.
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Re: Choosing a New Lap Top

Postby steven_0 » Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:50 pm

(second try of posting.. The first attempt resulted in a error and silly me did not copy paste)

Below are some examples with Kilkis remarks in mind. (within your budget)
They have the minimal specs that Kiliks gave, and i do second his recommendations
All are 15" IPS, full HD. Most with dual disk but some with a single larger SSD
All either I5 Or Ryzen5, 8GB of ram and windows 10 (unless you want to save on your budget, i would not take a I3)
Not at a specific order or preference. Always best to read some reviews of the ones you really like.

INTEL
Dual disk
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/17638768/HP-15 ... D-W10.html
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/18364553/Asus- ... D-W10.html
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/15384144/Lenov ... D-W10.html
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/16814303/MSI-G ... D-W10.html
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/16596626/Dell- ... D-W10.html

Single disk, minimal 256GB
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/14750260/Lenov ... D-W10.html


AMD
Dual disk
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/18023592/Lenov ... D-W10.html
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/18516684/Asus- ... D-W10.html

Single disk, minimal 256GB
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/18495707/Asus- ... D-W10.html
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/18685282/HP-Pr ... D-W10.html


The Asus TUF FX505DY would be my personal pick of the litter, 256ssd and a 1TB second drive. Decent graphics card.

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Re: Choosing a New Lap Top

Postby Yin&Yang » Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:35 pm

Very many thanks for the time you have put into this - deep research going on at the moment here :D
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Re: Choosing a New Lap Top

Postby Keltz » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:06 pm

You raise a couple of good points there steven_0.

Should you buy from "MrCheap" on the interent from another country or should you buy local and get local support. My opinion is if you don't know much about computers and tend to keep them for a long time then local is king.

Whether or not to buy a machine with specialised CPU and graphics card. The machine you recommend is a gaming laptop and comes with both. If that is not required then onboard graphics are just fine with Intel I5,I7 and AMD equivalent CPU's some of which you recommend and which are fully supported by Microsoft WIndows 10.

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Re: Choosing a New Lap Top

Postby Kilkis » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:34 pm

Keltz wrote:...My opinion is if you don't know much about computers and tend to keep them for a long time then local is king...


Perhaps worth a look in Plaisio. They have a relatively new shop where Marko Botsari crosses Apokoronou. It used to be a small Carrefour supermarket a long time ago and has been empty since until Plaisio refurbished it. There is a car park round the back. They have a reasonable reputation and probably have more choice than other stores. That way you get to see what the screen really looks like and how the keys feel.

Keltz wrote:...Whether or not to buy a machine with specialised CPU and graphics card. The machine you recommend is a gaming laptop and comes with both. If that is not required then onboard graphics are just fine with Intel I5,I7 and AMD equivalent CPU's some of which you recommend and which are fully supported by Microsoft WIndows 10.


My personal view is that it is worth going up market a little bit on the CPU, e.g. i5 rather than i3, but I wouldn't waste money on a high end graphics card. Unless you are playing the latest editions of intensive 3D games or doing a lot of video editing I don't think you get any benefit.

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Re: Choosing a New Lap Top

Postby Yin&Yang » Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:18 pm

Everyone's comments have been of great value during this decision making process. Thank you! I have settled upon a 12.9" iPad Pro Wi-Fi 512GB, Smart Keyboard Folio and Apple Pencil. Yes, yes, I know, Apple again and way over the self-imposed budget. HOWEVER it is my 60th Birthday next month and this is my present from Andrew :D

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Re: Choosing a New Lap Top

Postby Kilkis » Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:44 pm

Once they get you hooked it's difficult to escape. I heard a nice one from Sean Locke today. He said "I like to imagine somebody in Starbucks with an Apple computer using Google to search for an Intel processor and finally buying it on Amazon. Think of all the tax that has been avoided in that single transaction." Enjoy your new toy and Happy Birthday. My commiserations to Andrew's wallet.

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Re: Choosing a New Lap Top

Postby Yin&Yang » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:09 pm

:lol:
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Re: Choosing a New Lap Top

Postby SatCure » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:04 pm

I won't try to advise but I'll tell you what I did.

I have just bought a mid 2012 MacBook Pro to replace my wife's 2011 MacBook Pro. It was easier than trying to fix her "slow running" 2011 MBP while she waited (but I did try).

Of course, after I bought the "new" laptop, I discovered that the slow running was caused by a faulty powered USB hub! (Yes, I know that it should have been obvious but it wasn't. The symptoms suggested an internal Hard Drive problem.)

Anyway, it's a mid 2012 model with 2.9 GHz i7 processor and cost £500 via eBay. I fitted a 500 GB Solid State Drive and 16 GB of memory. In my opinion, it's absolutely the best modern laptop that Apple produced. Previous models had reliability problems and later models are pretty much unserviceable in that swapping internal parts simply isn't a feasible DIY proposition. Also, later models have fewer ports, making external connections more complicated (with added cost). Oh, and the 2012 model will run the latest MacOS. The 2011 will not.

It's worth noting that this "refurbished" laptop had dust and fluff in its fan and the non-original Hard Drive had two support screws missing. Other than that, it was fine and, in my opinion, reasonable value for money for anyone prepared to pay Apple prices. Fitting the new SSD and memory was easy and I had no problems in migrating my wife's data over from her backup drive.

BTW, if anyone in the Apokoronas are has Mac problems, I might be able to help. (I do this as a hobby, not a business.)

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Re: Choosing a New Lap Top

Postby Yin&Yang » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:14 pm

Thank you SatCure! We too have been looking at older models and refurbished ones. I have made my purchase now, as above but will certainly contact you should our poor old Mac need assistance.
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