Tearing up the withdrawal agreement?

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Kamisiana
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Re: Tearing up the withdrawal agreement?

Postby Kamisiana » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:03 am

Yet again a topic has been hijacked and now turned into a bagpipe irn-bru and haggis soapbox :roll:

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Re: Tearing up the withdrawal agreement?

Postby Kilkis » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:03 am

My comments relate to my experience during my lifetime, Keltz. Obviously things change and the past is no guarantee of the future. As I have also said I think the UK is taking the first tentative steps towards dictatorship. Everything you describe is directly from the play-book for making that transition. Once the process is started I doubt very much if you can reverse it at the ballot box but good luck trying. Has any newly elected government ever rolled back powers that a previous government introduced if those powers give them more control? They may change laws with which they disagree ideologically, e.g. nationalisation/privatisation, but gaining ever more control is embedded deep in the genes of the sort of person that seeks government office.

Warwick

PS If you listened to the debate on the changes to the Withdrawal Agreement, which is the subject of this thread, Kamisiana, you would realise that Scotland's devolution and independence are critically entwined with this bill so the exchanges between Keltz and I are relevant to the purpose of the thread.

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Re: Tearing up the withdrawal agreement?

Postby Kamisiana » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:04 pm

"On topic"EU discuss changes to the withdrawal agreement plus a lot more lets hope the referendums start soon.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... r-lundgren

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Re: Tearing up the withdrawal agreement?

Postby bobscott » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:42 pm

Read a right-wing populist paper, or read a left-wing socialist paper, the news is the same with the difference being interpretation. We will all believe the one we want to believe, right or wrong! Only time will tell and we will ALL have to live with the consequences. Bob.
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Re: Tearing up the withdrawal agreement?

Postby Keltz » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:58 pm

I quite agree that Westminster will never change as it slides into authoritarian practices.

I am sad that England has allowed this to happen as they voted for Brexit and ignored the lies and broken laws. It kind of confirms that the British parliament has always been the de facto English parliament with Wales, Scotland and NI dragged along.

Scotland has a way out if the people will take it but it will be a messy dirty fight to wrest British State controls that permeates throughout Scotland from their grubby self serving hands.

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I have never met anyone who believes what is written in the Express. You are scraping the barrel Kamisiana trying to quote any facts from there.

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Re: Tearing up the withdrawal agreement?

Postby Kilkis » Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:08 pm

The MEP referenced in the link is Sweden's version of Nigel Farage. He is a member of a right wing, nationalist, populist party that is basically very anti-immigration and generally anti-EU so his comments are not surprising.

The elite controlled media in all EU countries have very successfully blamed immigration for the increasing poverty and social problems in each country. A significant section of the population buy into the narrative giving rise to anti-immigration, nationalist, populist parties. They exist across Europe. They are strongest in countries that already tend to have a strong nationalistic tendency, like the Visegrád Group, and weakest, but growing in strength, in the more liberal countries like Scandinavia and the UK. They offer simplistic solutions to gullible people such as get rid of immigrants and your life will be better. Ring any bells? Unfortunately the section of the EU that wants ever more political and economic integration, and it is only a section, increases the fears that the populist parties feed on.

Warwick

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Re: Tearing up the withdrawal agreement?

Postby bobscott » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:02 am

.....................meanwhile, we hear that in Australia where there is (and has been for many decades) what could be called an 'efficient' immigration control policy and mentality, farmers are ploughing back in crops which have not been picked thanks to the shortage of migrant labour. Locals just don't want to know. Bob
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Re: Tearing up the withdrawal agreement?

Postby Kamisiana » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:37 am

bobscott wrote:.....................meanwhile, we hear that in Australia where there is (and has been for many decades) what could be called an 'efficient' immigration control policy and mentality, farmers are ploughing back in crops which have not been picked thanks to the shortage of migrant labour. Locals just don't want to know. Bob


Australia could learn a lot from Greece on how to exploit, oops sorry I meant look after migrant workers.
https://phys.org/news/2019-10-migrant-s ... eadly.html

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Re: Tearing up the withdrawal agreement?

Postby Kilkis » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:47 am

You can find examples of exploitation of vulnerable people, including slave labour, in every country in the world, Kamisiana. The clothing sweat shops in Leicester that caused a massive spike in COVID-19 is a good UK example. Just pray you don't reach a stage in your life where you need care. If the government pursues its proposed immigration policy there simply won't be any affordable care homes to go into.

Warwick


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