scooby wrote:..... Interesting watching a correspondent in the street asking three students what they thought about Brexit, the main thing they were virtually crying about and saying was "but we want to travel the world" they don't seem to understand that no one is going to stop them.
scooby wrote:... the main thing they were virtually crying about and saying was "but we want to travel the world" they don't seem to understand that no one is going to stop them.
The possibility of a hard Brexit looms. This will only please a very small amout of people.
Is this what everyone voted for?
They did say they want to "travel the world" not work. If they want to work and we have gone to WTO they will have to apply, yes not as easy but everyone wants everything easy but can be done. My mates used to go to Israel on working holidays and to Australia, they had to apply, this was before the internet, still not a problem. There are 32,000 non EU residents on Crete, they had to apply to live here, but they are still here.Kilkis wrote:scooby wrote:... the main thing they were virtually crying about and saying was "but we want to travel the world" they don't seem to understand that no one is going to stop them.
Obviously they will still be able to travel on holiday but what about work? I realise that "searching for work" is an alien concept to you Scooby but it is the primary concern of most of the young. As long as we are in the EU they have an absolute right to go and work in any country in the EU. Obviously it doesn't guarantee them a job. They have to find someone who is willing to employ them in that country at a rate that they are willing to work for but once they have done that they simply pack a case and go. I know, I've done it. No permissions, no visas, no government processes at all. When we leave the EU they will no longer have that right. They might be able to go or they might not. What is more someone working in an EU country today would be able to stay in that EU country after we leave if the deal goes through. They would not, however, have the right to move to a different country that they have now. It doesn't necessarily stop them but it might stop them and it certainly curtails their freedom.
The UK government have openly stated that they want to reduce massively the number of people coming to the UK from the EU. Perhaps EU states might reciprocate? I would imagine if people in those countries, who wanted to move to the UK, are prevented from doing so in future they will be yelling at their government to stop UK citizens coming to their country. I would imagine that will be reflected in that country's media and we all know how governments respond to that.
It is true that there are many crossings that are not manned, Bob, but that does not mean there are no customs checks on goods. There is a legal obligation for goods being transported from Switzerland to the EU and vice-versa to go through a customs process. There are specific border crossings where they can go through that process and most trucks go through those crossings. A truck could avoid going through the customs process by using one of the unmanned crossings BUT trucks are randomly stopped by the police on roads around those crossings. If they haven't gone through the correct customs process and obtained the correct paperwork they are breaking the law and the fines are very high.
Interesting that you say "in these days of terrorism, drug and people smuggling etc checks are only going to get more stringent. In your next bit you say "if this is a taster of what is to come when we are no longer part of the EU it doesn't bode well. You can't have it both ways, either you don't want terrorism, drug and people smuggling, or you don't want checks.Maud wrote:Some years ago I accompanied two 50+ coaches of school children to France for two weeks. We were in the Haute Jura and did a day trip to Geneva. We assumed that at the customs points we would just hand over the passports and ‘sail’ through! - No such luck! All 98 students and teaching staff had to disembark on our entry to Switzerland whilst the customs people checked both coaches. (Half an hour delay to us). The car in front was even having its rear seats lifted up and examined! On returning to France we were just waved through.
We regularly drive through Switzerland on our way to Greece. We have been ‘pulled over’ and questioned about our journey, but never searched. (Possibly due to the fact we have always had two large dogs in the vehicle!). We frequently see other motorists receiving more attention than us though! I am sure that much depends on what ‘alert’ a country is on, and what intelligence it is receiving, but in these times of terrorism, drug and people smuggling etc, checks are only going to get more stringent, with both trucks and cars etc.
If this is a ‘taster’ of what is to come when we are no longer part of the EU, it does not bode well. It is about more than just crossing borders though, as Guy has already pointed out. Travelling for young people also usually means working during their trips. I watched a young chap being interviewed at the weekend. He said he had spent a year travelling the EU working as a waiter and a lifeguard. He is concerned that his younger brother on his gap year will not have the same opportunity to travel and experience other cultures etc if we leave the EU without a deal.
These youngsters with ‘open minds’ wish to broaden their horizons, not be constrained by borders and work permits. They certainly are not going to vote for Brexit if there is a second vote. I am not saying there should be one, - just re-enforcing Warwick’s comment about demographics changing. I am sure many Brexiteers are aware of this, which is why they don’t want a second vote. I am a firm believer in democracy, but feel that in this instance the ‘will of the people’ in 2019 (Which it will be in a few weeks) is being ignored.......especially now we all know the problems involved with Brexit. If there is a second vote and people still vote for Brexit, I will accept it and hope all works out well for the U.K. I just want to be sure that it IS what people want NOW, and that the futures of our young citizens are being considered.
The possibility of a hard Brexit looms. This will only please a very small amout of people. Is this what everyone voted for?
This goes back to the title of this thread. - The Will of the People!
If there is a second vote and people still vote for Brexit, I will accept it and hope all works out well for the U.K.
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