Kilkis wrote:No problem, Bob. I wasn't really having a go at you. I was sounding off because again and again people make criticisms of the EU and how it operates that aren't valid, either because the EU doesn't operate in the way described or the issue is nothing to do with the EU.
hairybloke wrote:Wow, 27 pages on this thread now. Is that a record?
Guy M wrote:...I guess many in the EU can’t wait for the U.K. to leave, so they can get on without the distraction, the jibes, the rudeness of the press etc...
Guy M wrote:Parliament should big up and make a decision for the country and we should all big up and accept we are leaving the EU and take the consequences.
As far as I am aware, the EU in their inflexible stance (at the moment) will only agree to extend article 50 on one of three conditions, either a general election (can't see that happening) to ratify the agreement (won't get through parliament as it stands) or a 2nd referendum is called. I think the only way forward is that parliament will take control and put different options forward.So for all the MP's calling to extend article 50, so far one of those options must be met.Keltz wrote:Guy M wrote:Parliament should big up and make a decision for the country and we should all big up and accept we are leaving the EU and take the consequences.
Parliament has confirmed through independent assessments leaving the largest trading block in the world will harm the U.K. and reduce living standards. Government has refused to publish their own independent assessments on the impact of Brexit using delay tactics to bypass democratic processes at Westminster where they have been found in contempt of parliamentary process.
The clear majority opinion in parliament is to suspend article 50 and remove the ticking clock that is driving us towards a policy that will clearly harm the majority of people, being that the first principle of parliament is to protect its population. That would be the sensible thing to do.
Unfortunately the core problem at Westminster is its inability to evolve and accept it is no longer representative of the 4 nations of the UK, instead entrenched in its own importance and powers where the House of Lords is now the second largest unelected second chamber in the world beaten only by China.
I could be wrong but I think the EU re negotiated and gave legal assurances to the Irish when they voted no in their referendum, it was enough to go back to a 2nd referendum.Tim wrote:Of course it's possible that there is already another deal that's been agreed with the EU, which won't be presented to the Commons until after Mrs May is defeated on Tuesday. It could then be presented as a wonderful compromise and enough MP's might sign up to it to get it through. It would explain why the PM seems fairly sanguine about potentially suffering the heaviest defeat in parliamentary history. Many commentators have noted that where European deals are concerned the last minute 'rabbit out of the hat' isn't uncommon.
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