Latest EHIC & Reciprocal Healthcare

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GlennB
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Re: Latest EHIC & Reciprocal Healthcare

Postby GlennB » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:00 pm

Kamisiana wrote:Well that' ripe GlennB you slag the UK off Hate the government and then you want to go back and see if you are entitled to any benefits :?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... st12801130


Where have I slagged off the UK? We don't want to go back; we'll have no option as we can't afford private health care.

The two of us in this house spent our entire working lives making tax and NIC contributions in the country we'll be returning to.

"British nationals living abroad have also been reassured by Hammond that if they “face changes in how they can access healthcare” they may return to live in the UK and use the NHS if they wish from day one."

(my bolding)

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Re: Latest EHIC & Reciprocal Healthcare

Postby bobscott » Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:45 am

GlennB wrote:
The two of us in this house spent our entire working lives making tax and NIC contributions in the country we'll be returning to.

"British nationals living abroad have also been reassured by Hammond that if they “face changes in how they can access healthcare” they may return to live in the UK and use the NHS if they wish from day one."

(my bolding)


Same here! Lies all round.
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Postby Maud » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:40 pm

Just seen something on the BBC News at lunch time saying the Government has made money available to ex-pats to help them get residency in the country that they now live.

There is also an interview with ex-pats living in Spain. - Once again there are those people that are worried, and a person who is convinced that all will be ok. It is clearly a worry though for people on daily medication.

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Re: Latest EHIC & Reciprocal Healthcare

Postby BST » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:46 pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/3-mi ... for-brexit

Not sure if this will work? Patronising c..p anyway!

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Re: Latest EHIC & Reciprocal Healthcare

Postby BST » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:48 pm

Ps the registering for healthcare in their host country should be an interesting one.....

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Re: Latest EHIC & Reciprocal Healthcare

Postby GlennB » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:05 pm

BST wrote:https://www.gov.uk/government/news/3-million-grant-to-help-uk-nationals-in-eu-for-brexit

Not sure if this will work? Patronising c..p anyway!


Patronising c**p is right. It's giving the impression of doing something and that's all.

"We have announced a scheme, full funded, to help British expats ....."

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Postby Maud » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:05 pm

Just seen the link by BST. - Raab’s face alone raises my blood pressure.

However, not worry, here is the latest direct quote from BJ today, - as seen in the press, and on the television.

“We are in the last stages now of negotiating with our friends about a way to get it done. If we can’t succeed in that negotiation we must come out anyway.”

So all will be fine then. - Talk about a contradictory sentence!

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Re: Latest EHIC & Reciprocal Healthcare

Postby BST » Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:09 pm

Just read that the EU might withdraw the October 31st deadline? Could be interesting and funny. Takes away a bit of Boris's thunder!

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Re: Latest EHIC & Reciprocal Healthcare

Postby GlennB » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:18 pm

BST wrote:Just read that the EU might withdraw the October 31st deadline? Could be interesting and funny. Takes away a bit of Boris's thunder!


I'm not seeing it on the usual media, and I'd be amazed. Have you got a source?

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Re: Latest EHIC & Reciprocal Healthcare

Postby BST » Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:00 pm

Scottish Herald apparently. Came up on FB

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Postby Keltz » Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:57 pm

BST wrote:Just read that the EU might withdraw the October 31st deadline?


It is a puff piece from Gordon Brown that has no credibility. He has no powers, no say and no influence in UK government. He is rolled out by the media to cause confusion and distraction. Has no one been paying attention in the last 3 years to realise we are being played.

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Re: Latest EHIC & Reciprocal Healthcare

Postby Jeffstclair » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:28 am

Interesting post on the facebook page British in Greece re AMKA and health care ..I copied and pasted it for those who don't FB...


State health care with an AMKA number. There have been a few posts about this recently so I thought I'd summarise the situation.
State of play. At present and for the foreseeable future all citizens of Greece who are uninsured, and this specifically includes legally resident foreign nationals, are entitled to free basic state inpatient and outpatient healthcare according to Greek legislation from 2016. This legislation will obviously be unaffected by Brexit. All you need when you walk into a state health care facility is your AMKA number. This is the equivalent of an NHS number and health care professionals use it to access your medical records. Health care books have been abolished. Note to S1 pensioners....you can find yor AMKA on your old book - it's a 13 digit number starting with your DOB. We have many accounts from members all over Greece confirming the validity of this statement and you should all find your AMKA, note it down and have it with you at all times.
Some people are worried the Greek law might change with the new government but there have been no signs of this so far. There was spat between ND and SYRIZA in July the week after the elections about the withdrawal of a SYRIZA circular referring to HOW refugees and TCNs (non-EU nationals-third country nationals) get an AMKA. This was misreported for a few days mainly by the left wing press and died a death. Also the recent articles about Greece clawing back money from/stopping free treatment of foreign visitors and tourists are irrelevant as we are registered citizens. If you aren't registered GO already or you will not be able to get an AMKA number.
This 2016 solidarity law is the flagship legacy of SYRIZA (although ND like to say it was their idea) and it will be difficult to mess with it although I have to point out that as non-EU nationals we will be more vulnerable to being pushed out. But let's not think about that now...it will certainly do as a stop gap until Greece and the UK get reciprocal health arrangements in. Paradoxically, even though we have health care, you will still need evidence of a state or private insurance fund to get a residence permit. But you can always take a basic one out for 12 months and let it lapse like my Russian friends do! (A UK EHIC card is often accepted as evidence of healthcarebut this will obviously be no longer the case post-Brexit).
Why would Greece give us something we never paid for? Good old-fashioned socialism in action! It was the one thing Tsipras managed to do that showed his true colours. Many of the citizens of Greece (including legally registered foreign nationals) had lost their jobs and inevitably their access to health care in the financial crisis. Tsipras alleviated it the situation massively with this law. It even allows for the free treatment of refugees Personally I pay huge amounts into a state insurance fund as do most of my friends but I have never heard anyone complain about supporting the uninsured. Without solidarity Greeks would never have made it through an unprecedented crisis.
There have been problems with the issuing of AMKA numbers from KEP recently which are nothing to do with Brexit or us. KEP employees are on partial strike. If you need an AMKA number go to KEP and if you are refused one ask where you can get one from. It depends on the measures put in place in your area (Greek nationals are also having problems with this).
For more information about which services you are entitled to with an AMKA find the Announcement about it at the top of the page.
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Re: Latest EHIC & Reciprocal Healthcare

Postby bobscott » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:58 am

Thanks Jeff. Most interesting. Looking at the text, one portion stands out as a possible problem: "Paradoxically, even though we have health care, you will still need evidence of a state or private insurance fund to get a residence permit. But you can always take a basic one out for 12 months and let it lapse like my Russian friends do! (A UK EHIC card is often accepted as evidence of healthcarebut this will obviously be no longer the case post-Brexit).

This is obviously going to be a relief to some of us, who have properly registered and got permanent residency permits. However, the rumour mill is persistently pointing out that post-BREXIT, those permanent residency permits will have to be exchanged for new, biometric ones. Conditions for getting the exchange include a) proof of no criminal record (wonder how one can do that?); b) proof of sufficient funds for sellf-support and crucially, c) proof of health insurance. This might work against us regarding the 2016 law unless by the time this new permit comes into being, the UK and Greece have come to a sensible and workable agreement on health care. Given the government's record, it could be a long time coming! One other question: does the phrase in the quote 'take a basic one out' refer to a basic residency permit (??) or a basic health insurance policy? If the latter, that will still prove virtually impossible for some of us on age and previous medical history basis.

Still one to watch, although the general tenor of your posting is mildly comforting - at least for the near future! Thanks again. Bob.
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Re: Latest EHIC & Reciprocal Healthcare

Postby Yin&Yang » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:50 am

And the issue remains that if you are over 74, health insurance doesn't seem to exist.
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Re: Latest EHIC & Reciprocal Healthcare

Postby altohb » Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:36 pm

Greek companies don't seem to want to cover anyone over 65. We've used before, and may again (if forced to) www.healthcareinternational.com - They will cover you as long as you are under 75 when you take out the policy, and it is then renewable for whole of life, according to their FAQs.

Hope this is helpful to some, at least.


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