First of all I will make one thing clear, I am not angry at all, I suppose that's the problem with forum platforms, emails, texts etc in the fact things can be taken the wrong way or blown up out of proportion. On the contrary I am quite relaxed although a little frustrated as the attempts to overthrow a democratic vote are pushed to the limit.Toebs wrote:> I must say the difference between the last cabinet and prime minister to this one is chalk and cheese because they actually believe the UK will be better out.
I may be wrong, but I'm not sure about that.
I think you believe it, and you think they believe it.
I suspect Johnson rode Brexit to get into power.
He's a politician. I don't trust them, and you don't trust them. Why do you trust these ones? they're not going to be any different.
> Yes it was a bit of a shock for people and mp’s that Johnson went at it like a bull in a china shop but it was necessary to focus minds, Cummings created the chaos and doubts to allow Johnson to push through.
I'm sorry to say this to you, scooby, but this to me has the feeling of religion : there's an article of faith, and all information is interprented in whatever ways are needed to ensure the article of faith remains true.
"Dinosaurs? God put them there to test our faith."
Everything Johnson et al have done or are doing is being seen as part of a master plan, and almost always having been the correct thing to do.
It just isn't true. They're normal people, doing what they do, blundering at times like all of us.
I have to point out Johnson has *not* pushed through. Parliament said no. Johnson has not yet solved the problems which bedevilled his predecessors. He has also permanently alienated the soft-exit/remain camp, by proroguration, and now this ridiculous, embarrassing two-letter response to the law.
> Add to that Johnson appointed a head negotiator with a far superior CV to the last one.
I may be wrong, but I don't think this is a factor. What's happened is Johnson has given up certain things which May would not, which is to say, NI.
May was bound by the DUP, for her majority, and Johnson has given up having a majority, which seems to me to place him much further away from success in Parliament.
An apple iphone switches the article to apple news when you save or copy the story. I am now on my pc so here is the link.Kilkis wrote:You should try to post links to the original articles, Scooby, rather than links to Apple news feeds. I for one cannot view them so the point is lost.
You are right he hasn't achieved anything, only what most people who don't want Brexit said was impossible.Kilkis wrote:Johnson hasn't really achieved anything. This idea of being a strong negotiator and using no-deal as leverage is a complete myth. He has simply gone back to what the EU originally proposed as a solution to the Irish border issue, i.e. keeping Northern Ireland in the EU single market and customs union. It is the solution that May said "No UK Prime Minister would ever agree to". That is why the DUP voted against it. He and his supporters couldn't care less about NI, a point of view they might come to regret.
The Letwin amendment was proposed because nobody trusts Johnson. He is the most duplicitous PM since Harold Wilson. His " cunning plan" was quite transparent. Pass the new deal through Parliament and the Cherry-Benn Act becomes void and there is nothing to force him to ask for an extension. Then mess about with the implementing legislation until 1 November and voila the UK is out of the EU without an agreement. Exactly what he and his supporters want. It also pulls the fangs of the Brexit Party at the next election because he has achieved what they were promising to do.
scooby wrote: What he does best is surrounding himself with like minded people who get the job done.
Guy M wrote:This is how I see this
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