marmite wrote:I mistook my permit for a permanent one and thought it had no expirey date. Having read all the posts I now see I need to update my temporary one to a permanent one. However, my temporary one was issued in 2009 - so is now way out of date (if it only lasted for 5 years). Do you think that will be an issue when I go to get a permanent one?
No, I don't think it will be an issue because I don't think it "only lasted for 5 years". If your certificate was issued in 2009 then I suspect it is one of the new type. If so, I believe that it does not expire. I think confusion is being caused by the use of words in the context of DIRECTIVE 2004/38/EC and the same words in common usage, especially the word "permanent". Anything that continues on indefinitely could be described as "permanent" in common usage but under the terms of the Directive "permanent" has a very specific meaning. The two types of certificate represent different status under that Directive. Also that Directive replaced a number of previous versions which had somewhat different provisions. For example the earlier version had a permit which expired after 5 years and had to be renewed. I suspect, but don't know for certain, that the expired permit Filippos referred to was the old style permit and he probably renewed it for the first type of new style certificate described below. The new Directive came into force in Greek law sometime around 2006 or a little later.
When you first arrive in Greece and intend to stay for more than 3 months you get a certificate issued under Article 7 of the Directive. That certificate does not expire BUT it only continues to be valid as long as you satisfy the conditions in Article 7. That certificate is a beige colour and has the words ΒΕΒΑΙΩΣΗ ΕΓΓΡΑΦΗΣ ΠΟΛΙΤΗ ΚΡΑΤΟΥΣ ΜΕΛΟΥΣ ΤΗΣ ΕΥΡΩΠΑΙΚΗΣ ΕΝΩΣΗΣ on the front or something very similar. You can continue living in Greece on the basis of this certificate if you wish.
Once you have lived legally in Greece for 5 years you can apply for a "permanent certificate". That is issued under Article 16 of the Directive and, as far as I can tell, continues to be valid even if you no longer satisfy the conditions in Article 7. That certificate is blue and has the words EΓΓΡΑΦΟ ΠΙΣΤΟΠΟΙΗΣΗΣ ΜΟΝΙΜΗΣ ΔΙΑΜΟΝΗΣ ΠΟΛΙΤΗ ΚΡΑΤΟΥΣ ΜΕΛΟΥΣ ΤΗΣ ΕΥΡΩΠΑΪΚΗΣ ΕΝΟΣΗΣ on the front or something very similar. There is nothing to force you to get this type of certificate.
The potential advantage of swapping the first type of certificate for the second type, if you are eligible, is that the agreement between the UK and the EU on citizens rights makes a provision for exchanging the second type for whatever document is required after Brexit free of charge and with minimum bureaucracy.