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Brexit and the continuing healthcare

Postby Stavros » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:21 am

After digging in Gov.uk's section about the Information on the withdrawal Bill I came across an interesting extract regarding healthcare rights after the Brexit - apologies if this has been discussed before:




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The complete file can be found here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... rawal-bill

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Re: Brexit and the continuing healthcare

Postby Houmeri91 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:18 pm

Well that confirms what people have been saying as long as there is a deal then the status quo will apply

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Re: Brexit and the continuing healthcare

Postby GlennB » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:25 pm

Houmeri91 wrote:Well that confirms what people have been saying as long as there is a deal then the status quo will apply


It seems so, but ... no doubt any long-term expat resident here can tell plenty of stories about how 'the law' is interpreted by their local bureaucrat. Then getting them to acknowledge the actual law can be like getting blood out of a stone.

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Re: Brexit and the continuing healthcare

Postby filippos » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:15 pm

Cab we give up the guessing games until a deal is struck when we'll know what we're discussing?

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Re: Brexit and the continuing healthcare

Postby bobscott » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:34 pm

filippos wrote:Cab we give up the guessing games until a deal is struck when we'll know what we're discussing?


Well Phil. As we know, nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. Fat chance. Bob.
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Re: Brexit and the continuing healthcare

Postby BST » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:37 pm

The article says everyone is entitled to healthcare but it doesn't say who is supposed to provide it!

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Re: Brexit and the continuing healthcare

Postby filippos » Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:49 am

Exactly, so we still know bu99er all so why waste energy on guessing games?

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Re: Brexit and the continuing healthcare

Postby Kilkis » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:32 am

While it is true that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed, there has to be an outcome for all these issues.

For trade it is simple - if there is no agreement the trade between the UK and the EU, in both directions, reverts to WTO rules. These are well established and enforceable under international law.

For residence rights, including healthcare and pension rights, there has to be some sort of agreement even if there is no agreement on anything else. Otherwise everybody gets sent back to their country of origin and nobody in authority in the UK or the EU appears to want that, although I suspect a percentage of the population in both areas would love it.

The Irish border is presented as a problem for the UK but really it is a problem for the EU. If the UK simply says that it is completely happy not to implement any border between the UK and Ireland what does the EU do? While internally the EU is a free trade area externally it is mainly a protectionist block. The EU expects every EU member state to provide a border with the rest of the world. Will the EU instruct the Republic of Ireland to implement a border between the south and the north? Norway is often used as an example of a country that is not in the EU but trades happily with the EU. It achieves tariff free trade by contributing to the EU budget, accepting EU laws* and allowing free movement. Even then it is not in the customs union and so there are still customs checks between Norway and the rest of the EU. Norway doesn't insist on it - the EU does.

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* It doesn't implement all EU laws, just those that are relevant to its trading relationship. For example I don't think it participates in the Common Agricultural Policy or the Common Fisheries Policy so it wouldn't implement EU laws relating to those areas. It would implement EU product laws since it participates in trade of products.

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Re: Brexit and the continuing healthcare

Postby mouche » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:51 am

What laws has Norway not implemented?

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Re: Brexit and the continuing healthcare

Postby Kilkis » Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:25 pm

Obviously it implements all the laws it is required to implement but it is not required to implement all EU legislation because it is not a full member of the EU. It is a member of the EEA. For example Norway does not participate in the Common Fisheries Policy so it would not implement any part of an EU Treaty, Regulation or Directive that related to the Common Fisheries Policy. I am not criticising Norway, Mouche, simply trying to be completely clear about how Norway relates to the EU. A lot of BS is spoken in the UK about Norway's relationship with the EU since a "Norway Model" is often discussed regarding the UK's relationship with the EU after Brexit.

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Re: Brexit and the continuing healthcare

Postby mouche » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:22 pm

Kilkis wrote:Obviously it implements all the laws it is required to implement but it is not required to implement all EU legislation because it is not a full member of the EU. It is a member of the EEA. For example Norway does not participate in the Common Fisheries Policy so it would not implement any part of an EU Treaty, Regulation or Directive that related to the Common Fisheries Policy. I am not criticising Norway, Mouche, simply trying to be completely clear about how Norway relates to the EU. A lot of BS is spoken in the UK about Norway's relationship with the EU since a "Norway Model" is often discussed regarding the UK's relationship with the EU after Brexit.

Warwick


https://fullfact.org/europe/norway-switzerland-eu-laws/

I did not read you comments in any way shape or form as criticism of Norway.


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