Flying Crete - UK

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Re: Flying Crete - UK

Postby bobscott » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:56 am

Kilkis wrote:Do you know what measures your children's school has taken? Have they reduced class sizes? If so how? Are your children going to be able to go to school everyday or will there be some sort of rotor system? If a rotor system what happens on the days they are not there? What distance will students be apart in classes? Will they have to wear masks? How will social distancing work at breaks and lunchtime? Will they move from classroom to classroom? If so what disinfection regime is in place between classes? How long does disinfection take? What proportion of the school day will be taken up by mitigating measures? If not what happens to classes that need specialist facilities like laboratories? Have you received any information from the school on these issues?


Warwick


This link might give you a clue. Bob

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc3gleQGxPw
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Re: Flying Crete - UK

Postby bobscott » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:57 am

Yes I know, off topic. My excuse is that I was answering a question previously posted. Bob.
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Re: Flying Crete - UK

Postby evansmr1 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:47 pm

Guy M
We flew Chania to Bristol today. Some big Covid-19 differences compared with flying the other way.
No check at Chania that Passenger Location form had been completed - couldn’t board at Bristol without showing a PLF with the Unique code on it. As a result, people were filling in online forms on arrival in Bristol and the queue was v slow-moving to her through immigration.
No testing at all on arrival in Bristol; PLF wasn’t looked at (though presumably the data is on a computer somewhere so we can be contacted if anyone on the flight has the virus).
Now back on Plague Island so have decided on serious social distancing.

Maud
If you find the thread boring evansmr might I politely suggest you just ignore it? Shutting it down would be a shame for all the useful posts on it......regarding filling in the PLF etc.

I think with all the uncertainty when visiting countries just now, it is good to have as much information from fellow travellers as possible. I appreciate some people are not likely to leave the island at the moment, but the website is there for everyone, and needs to cover more topics than purely those happening on Kriti itself. Travelling to and from the island is a huge topic for many in normal times, even if one is a full time resident. - Even ex-pats have family visiting.


This thread is about flying from Crete to UK. Not the other way around.
The Forum is excellent for providing advise on subjects not easily available and also for sensible discussions. One does not need to have a Degree to find out information on flights to the UK or for completing the Passenger information form. All readily available via Google.
Why also should there be discussions regarding UK Schooling.
Please lets see the return of sensible threads such as the recent one regarding Dash Cameras. Nice to know (thanks Kilkis) that they are permitted. I have ordered mine today.
I will start a relevant thread that affects all of us living in Crete and for those with Holiday Homes
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Re: Flying Crete - UK

Postby altohb » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:58 pm

Maud wrote:If you find the thread boring evansmr might I politely suggest you just ignore it? Shutting it down would be a shame for all the useful posts on it......regarding filling in the PLF etc.

I think with all the uncertainty when visiting countries just now, it is good to have as much information from fellow travellers as possible. I appreciate some people are not likely to leave the island at the moment, but the website is there for everyone, and needs to cover more topics than purely those happening on Kriti itself. Travelling to and from the island is a huge topic for many in normal times, even if one is a full time resident. - Even ex-pats have family visiting.


Updated info. I flew HER-LGW on Friday last week. UK PLF form checked just before security - glanced at, to make sure I had one. Return trip this morning. All Greek flights from Gatwick check in/bag drop at a specified area. PLF form checked properly to tally with passport before I could drop my bag off, and I was given a slip of paper to show at the gate to indicate that it had been checked. Eminently sensible procedure. PLF checked at HER on arrival. For those (like me) anxious about the QR confirmation - it arrived at 10.05 UK time last night, and the form with the QR is a downloadable PDF.

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Re: Flying Crete - UK

Postby Maud » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:31 pm

A very informative post altohb. I am sure it will be useful to others. Personal experience wins over other forms of information every day!

You can see evansmr that some people fly back to Kriti, as well as away from it. Guy’s original post was just informing everyone of his experience. Broadening the subject to include flights both ways helps others.

As for dash cams, - If you Google the subject (As you suggested others do about various matters), there are numerous websites on the internet telling you which countries they are legal in/not legal in/only legal for personal use etc. Greece is included on the sites as ‘shine on’ mentions in his post.

I had not seen the thread, but if I had I would have informed you that we have been using a dash cam in Greece for the last 10 years. We had checked it was ok to use it both with our insurers plus with two good friends who are in the Police Force. They are not illegal in Greece but should only be used for personal use. As Warwick mentions, some insurers might take any recorded footage in to consideration, but that is up to the insurer. There is no legal requirement for them to do so.

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Re: Flying Crete - UK

Postby Yorgo » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:58 pm

Greece is signed up to the European courts, so to speak, IF I use a Dash-cam and I have irrefutable evidence of an incident, in full on record via video then that is enough for me.

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Re: Flying Crete - UK

Postby Kilkis » Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:35 am

Yorgo wrote:Greece is signed up to the European courts, so to speak,...


Sorry, Yorgo, but that is a bit of a meaningless statement. There is only one EU court, the European Court of Justice, ECJ, and that rules solely on matters of EU law. All the other courts are purely national courts ruling on national laws.

In all EU countries some laws are derived from EU Treaties and EU Directives. EU Regulations apply directly and are not implemented in national law. The vast majority of laws in all countries are purely national, something which the UK electorate seemed to be unaware of. They do not derive from EU law and the ECJ has no jurisdiction. As far as I can see there is no EU Directive or Regulation that defines whether dash cam footage should be accepted as evidence in court. Whether a court will accept dash cam footage as evidence is purely a matter of Greek national law and the ECJ have no authority.

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Re: Flying Crete - UK

Postby Yorgo » Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:10 am

I did say, "so to speak" ? inferring that there is simply a higher level beyond domestic courts. Thats all. You did the work for me. I was too lazy to explain the machinations of the European Judicial system. Let people make of it what they will.

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Re: Flying Crete - UK

Postby Kilkis » Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:26 pm

When it comes to national criminal and civil law, which is not based on EU law and most of it isn't, then there is no higher authority to appeal to outside Greece. In most cases you can appeal it up to the Supreme Court, Άρειος Πάγος, inside Greece and that's it. If you believe the ruling infringes your rights under the European Convention on Human Rights then you could appeal to the European Court of Human Rights but that is not an EU institution. I doubt if a court not accepting dash cam footage would come in that category?

Contrary to what most people seem to think, every EU member State is a sovereign country that can and does make its own laws. The only thing imposed by the EU is that if there is EU law under a Treaty or a Directive then the national law must comply with that EU law. For everything else every country can do what it wants. The ECJ only becomes involved if someone believes either the national law or a ruling by a national court does not conform to an EU law.

Warwick

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Re: Flying Crete - UK

Postby Clio » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:05 pm

Feeling so sorry for the responsible, law-abiding pasengers on the flight mentioned here:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... criticised

I can only too easily imagine myself in their position - their lives disrupted, their health threatened, at the end of what should have been a happy holiday.

And, given that that kind of irresponsible fellow-traveller is just as likely to be found on Crete as on Zante, I am crossing fingers and lighting candles for several friends who will be running the same risk before the season is over.

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Re: Flying Crete - UK

Postby Keltz » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:15 pm

Relying on corporate UK media such as The Guardian for informed news may not be a good idea for the reasons linked to below. Read if you care to and decide for yourself.

I am significantly more at risk of being castigate for questioning Covid restrictions as I am of actually catching the disease.

In years to come when we are all comfortable with our rights being restricted to protect the population from Covid or the next pandemic, Even to the extent that airlines will not let you travel without taking the government specified vaccine or when the NHS refuses treatement to you or your family if they have not taken the governemnt specified vaccine or the suspension of democratic voting until the virus is 'under control'. Trump has already suggested this. Westminster has already porogued parliament to avoid scrutiny on Brexit.

It will not be BAME people being shot in America by the police that will be making the headlines it will be non-conformists anti-vaccine people who refuse to allow the government to inject them. I have already seen discussions on removing BAME people rights and welfare if they dare to demonstrate. And by god will the rest of us be gratefull such action is being taken to people that refuse to be injected.

For now people who do not follow the rules are "irresponsible" a "threat", in years to come they will be a subclass and outcasts.

1930's fascism and the marginalization of sections of the population is on its way and we will be told it is for our own good and we will ignore the lessons of that past European stain many fought and died for.

Fear is a powerfull thing when the source of that fear seems trustworthy.

https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2020 ... democracy/

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Re: Flying Crete - UK

Postby Clio » Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:07 pm

Just for reference, I was a journalist working for British national newspapers before Jonathan Cook was born, and I am perfectly capable of assessing the accuracy of the story to which I linked.

For further reference, I am deeply alarmed at the direction in which this present British government is heading, and would be among the first on the barricades in an uprising against them to defend our civil liberties.

However, I would not myself get on a plane now in any circumstances but if I did, I should willingly accept the airline’s ruling on masks and would expect other passengers to do the same. Just as we accept, for example, the rules about not smoking aboard. I would do this not just because the airline requires it because it is my personal conviction, based on studying plenty of evidence, that masks help limit the spread of the virus.

Finally: I am not wild about your hijacking a simple post - a friendly and concerned message to a community of which I was an early member during the decades I spent living in Crete - for the benefit of your polemic. I don’t really have anything else to say to you.

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Re: Flying Crete - UK

Postby TweetTweet » Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:35 pm

Keltz wrote:Relying on corporate UK media such as The Guardian for informed news may not be a good idea for the reasons linked to below. Read if you care to and decide for yourself.

I am significantly more at risk of being castigate for questioning Covid restrictions as I am of actually catching the disease.

In years to come when we are all comfortable with our rights being restricted to protect the population from Covid or the next pandemic, Even to the extent that airlines will not let you travel without taking the government specified vaccine or when the NHS refuses treatement to you or your family if they have not taken the governemnt specified vaccine or the suspension of democratic voting until the virus is 'under control'. Trump has already suggested this. Westminster has already porogued parliament to avoid scrutiny on Brexit.

It will not be BAME people being shot in America by the police that will be making the headlines it will be non-conformists anti-vaccine people who refuse to allow the government to inject them. I have already seen discussions on removing BAME people rights and welfare if they dare to demonstrate. And by god will the rest of us be gratefull such action is being taken to people that refuse to be injected.

For now people who do not follow the rules are "irresponsible" a "threat", in years to come they will be a subclass and outcasts.

1930's fascism and the marginalization of sections of the population is on its way and we will be told it is for our own good and we will ignore the lessons of that past European stain many fought and died for.

Fear is a powerfull thing when the source of that fear seems trustworthy.

https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2020 ... democracy/


Well said Keltz.

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Re: Flying Crete - UK

Postby Maud » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:39 pm

Wow! To put things simply......

I think people are getting confused on here between doing the right thing to keep everyone safe, and not doing it just because they have been told TO do it!

What has happened to common sense?

Like Clio, I would be manning the barricades to defend civil liberties. I don’t wear a mask because this idiotic Government has told me to do so. - I do it to help stop spread the virus and keep others safe. To me that is common sense. When a vaccine becomes available I shall have it........just like I did for polio, smallpox etc. I don’t want to catch Covid 19 and I certainly want to play my part in helping control it world wide. This has nothing to do with civil liberties.....again it is just common sense.

I am astonished that Clio’s ‘concerned’ post about people flying to and from Greece (on topic) should cause a reaction about civil liberties!

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Re: Flying Crete - UK

Postby Jeffstclair » Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:04 pm

It's bad I know ...but I think we must stay at home if we can ,and if we must travel we must wear masks and take care ...we can rebuild after we have eradicated this virus ...


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