Level 1 for Chania. Level 3 Herakleion New guidelines

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Level 1 for Chania. Level 3 Herakleion New guidelines

Postby BST » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:24 pm

I don't think there is much change for most of us.
Closing time 1am if you can stay awake. 6 to a table.

Level 1. Readiness (Chania, Rethymno, Lassithi)

Mask

In all indoor workplaces
In all outdoor areas with synchronization
* more specific rules may be provided for specific areas, such as below

Assemblies

Take measures to limit rallies depending on the epidemiological situation of neighboring areas and the country as a whole.
Up to 100 people with masks
Keeping a distance of 1.5 m
Elderly care units

Mask to staff & guests
Visitor restriction based on special protocols
Hospitals and diagnostic centers

Mask for staff & all incoming
Refugee HCC

Free movement of guests up to 15% per hour, with a maximum of 1,000 per day, based on the instructions of the commander
Schools

Mask from 4 years and over
Universities

Mask
up to 50 students sitting in amphitheaters
Distance education
Conferences / Exhibitions

Mask
Indoors: 1 person per 5 sq.m., up to 200 seats
Places of Worship

1 person per 5 sq.m. and up to 200 people, sitting with a mask
Archaeological sites, Museums

Archaeological sites, open (open-air) museums:

1.5 meter distance
Mask for the tour guide and employees
Closed museums:

2 meters distance
1 person per 10 sq.m.
Group tours for up to 20 people
Mandatory use of a mask for everyone
Concert halls, Theatrical performances, Other Performing Arts (seated only)

Open (outdoor) venues

65% fullness
Mandatory use of a mask
Operation until 31/10/2020
Indoors

65% fullness
Mandatory use of a mask
Mandatory issuance of an electronic ticket
Maximum number of seats 500 in indoor stadiums and gyms
Movie screenings

Open (outdoor) venues

65% fullness
Mandatory use of a mask
Operation until 31/10/2020
Indoors

65% fullness
Mandatory use of a mask
Mandatory issuance of an electronic ticket
Rehearsals, TV and film shootings

Compulsory use of a mask in rehearsals, mandatory use of a mask by those who are not on the set
1.5 meter distance for actors - 2 meters distance for choirs / winds in rehearsals
Recording of incoming - outgoing
Playgrounds (closed)

1 child per 5 sq.m.
Mandatory use of mask (> 2 years)
1 attendant per child.
Escorts with mask in the waiting area
Keeping distances in the table-seats and hygiene rules
Nightclubs including banquet facilities, bars (sitting at tables only)

Only sitting

6 people per table
Venues with a capacity of more than 300 people: 50% of the probable population of the permit with a maximum of 500 seats
Venues with a capacity of up to 300 people: 65%: of the potential population of the permit with a maximum of 200 seats
Distances 1.8m between the tables
Mandatory use of mask on staff
Closed 01.00-05.00
Music Stage

Only sitting

6 people per table
Venues with a capacity of more than 300 people: 50% of the probable population of the permit with a maximum of 500 seats
Venues with a capacity of up to 300 people: 65%: of the potential population of the permit with a maximum of 200 seats
Distances 1.8m between the tables
Mandatory use of mask on staff
Closed 01.00-05.00
Focus

Mandatory use of mask on staff
6 people per table
Completeness 80% (open - closed) of the useful area
Table-seat distances (relevant JMC)
Closed 01: 00-05: 00 (excluding Take away - delivery with a ban on the sale of alcohol)
Transport

Numerical / quantitative restrictions on travel concern the place / point of departure or internal movement

Mandatory use of mask in all MM
65% in MMM
80% on ships
Sports (games, training)

Trainings and matches without spectators.
Determining the maximum number of athletes per facility (attached table)
Instructions and Health protocols for training and competitions
Gyms

Mandatory use of Mask on staff
Mandatory use of Mask while waiting in the gym and in all public areas of the gym.
Excludes group and individual exercise with distances of 2m
1 person per 5 sq.m.
Food stores (supermarkets, mini markets, bakeries, butchers, fish shops, etc.)

Mandatory use of mask (personal and public)
1 person per 10 sqm (4 people 20-100 sqm and 1 person for every 10 sqm extra)
Popular markets

3 meters distance between benches
Mandatory use of a mask for everyone
Trade fairs-Sunday Markets etc.

Normal operation with 3 meters distance between benches
Mandatory use of a mask by everyone
Retail

Mask mandatory for everyone
Area based restriction.
1 person per 10 sqm (4 people 20-100 sqm and 1 person for every 10 sqm extra)
Hairdressers, personal hygiene services, etc.

Mask for staff and customers
Area restriction measures (relevant JMC).
Remove waiting.
Referral for an appointment

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Re: Level 1 for Chania. Level 3 Herakleion New guidelines

Postby Kilkis » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:25 pm

Nice simple rules that everyone can understand and remember.

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Re: Level 1 for Chania. Level 3 Herakleion New guidelines

Postby Kilkis » Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:47 am

This is the interactive government web site that shows the precaution level in each area and what those precautions are. It's in Greek but it translates quite well in the Chrome browser.

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Re: Level 1 for Chania. Level 3 Herakleion New guidelines

Postby Jean » Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:32 pm

So when they write (for the level 1 area) Σε όλους τους εξωτερικούς χώρους με συγχρωτισμό do they mean crowded places or what exactly? What I want to know is can I now walk in Chania without a mask (and without risking a fine for doing so)?

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Re: Level 1 for Chania. Level 3 Herakleion New guidelines

Postby bobscott » Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:46 pm

The actual meaning of synchronicity in English is somewhat esoteric. I have been translating it in my mind to equate to 'organised', like at a rally or something. Probably wrong! Bobl
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Re: Level 1 for Chania. Level 3 Herakleion New guidelines

Postby Kilkis » Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:09 am

Google Translate often behaves a little strangely. It may translate a word differently depending on the context. If you put the full sentence into Google Translate it does indeed translate as "synchronization" but if you put the Greek word "συγχρωτισμό" into it on its own it translates it as "intermingling". Thus the sentence should translate as "In all outdoor areas with intermingling". I would say if there are other people around wear a mask. There is no safe distance, the risk falls with increasing distance. The closer you get the higher the risk, the further away the lower the risk. The risk does not go to zero at 2m. If you are going to have a rule you need a distance that defines when you are breaking the rule but it is a bit arbitrary.

If I was walking about anywhere in Chania centre I would wear a mask at all times. In fact I wear a mask everywhere except in my own property, inside my car, on the lane immediately outside my property where there are virtually never any people and in a taverna when eating or drinking. There is one situation where I break the law and that is in the hairdressers because he finds it very difficult to cut someone's hair when they are wearing a mask. That happens about every 6 weeks.

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Re: Level 1 for Chania. Level 3 Herakleion New guidelines

Postby BST » Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:20 pm

"Use of a mask is mandatory in indoor workplaces and outdoor areas with synchronization at all alarm levels for the whole country. In short, in every corner of Greece, citizens should wear a mask outside where there is congestion."

I think that's pretty straight forward! Everyone, everywhere in Greece needs to wear a mask when they are close to others.... maybe within 1.5 or 2 metres as previously.

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Re: Level 1 for Chania. Level 3 Herakleion New guidelines

Postby Kilkis » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:27 am

My pharmacist just told me that, as from today in the Chania Nomos, you don't need to wear a mask outside unless it is crowded. I guess you need to use judgement as to what constitutes crowded. I presume that will apply as long as Chania stays in the bottom restriction category, i.e.green.

It is worth noting that the restriction categories, i.e. green, yellow, orange, red, "sort of" correspond to the infection rate categories, i.e. 0-4, 5-9, 10-49 and 50+. The infection rate categories are updated daily, however, while the restriction categories only get updated every 14 days, or possibly less if epidemiological data deems it necessary. I think the restriction category isn't based totally on the infection category but also depends on other factors, e.g. rising or falling, hospitalised cases as a fraction of capacity, ITU cases as a fraction of capacity etc.

It probably is worth watching which way the infection rate category is heading in your area and possibly self-applying the rules of the next higher restriction category if the infection category is increasing. For example Rethymnon is also in the green restriction category but it is in the 5 to 9 infection category so for anybody living in the Rethymnon Nomos it might be worth being a bit more cautious than the green category demands. Chania popped up to the 4-9 category for a few days but then dropped down to the 0-4 category again so it is probably reasonable that it is in the green restriction category as is Lasithi, which I think has had the lowest number of cases on the island by a long way. Heraklion is in the 10-49 infection category and the orange restriction category so again that seems reasonable.

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Re: Level 1 for Chania. Level 3 Herakleion New guidelines

Postby Yorgo » Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:00 am

I have to say that the fact there is 3 tiers makes this a farce. I don't think a "killer virus pandemic" fits into tiers. Does this mean the highest level of deadly threat - Heraklion - changes for people who may travel from Heraklion to work in Rethymnon? How does this threat suddenly become benign when you enter the border of Rethymnon? (for the pedants - change benign to > less of a threat)
Just to be clear: In no way am I arguing that some sort of Corona has not evolved or morphed to a current viral infection - similar to Flu. I am finding the varying policies for "control" to be illogical and farcical.
No immigrant (paddling a Dinghy) is refused entry into UK (in fact they are provided with 4 star hotel accommodation) yet I can not speak to my next door neighbour and they can not visit their grandchildren.

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Re: Level 1 for Chania. Level 3 Herakleion New guidelines

Postby Kilkis » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:40 am

Firstly, in Greece, Yorgo, it is a 4 tier system not a 3 tier system. The UK has adopted a 3 tier system.

Secondly, and very importantly, SARS-CoV-2 is NOT like the influenza virus. Many of the problems in countries that have done badly controlling COVID-19 are due to the government of that country treating it like influenza. Those countries that have tended to do better, especially in the far east, have done so because they treated it like SARS, i.e. SARS-CoV-1, and MERS. It happens to spread in a similar way to influenza and infect the body through the respiratory tract like influenza but after that it is a very different disease. For example scroll down this ONS paper to the first graph comparing UK deaths due to COVID-19 with those due to influenza and pneumonia from 1 January to 31 August 2020. Also it can spread through the vascular system and directly attack other organs which influenza cannot do.

You are correct, however, that regional measures will only work if there is control on movement between regions. One of the reasons Greece did better than the UK in the first surge of the virus, especially on the islands, was because they controlled movement around the country better. It is also true of movement between countries. One reason New Zealand did well in the first surge was because they rigorously restricted entry to the country. The virus spreads from person to person. If people move around and mingle with people that they don't normally encounter the virus will spread faster, especially if it is people from a high infection rate area moving to a low infection rate area. I am surprised Greece has not included inter-nomos movement restrictions somewhere in its 4 tier system as it did in its original nationwide controls. The Welsh government has talked about this a lot in the UK. Within Wales, using their devolved powers, they have restricted movement in Wales from areas with a higher infection rate to a lower infection rate area. In north Wales both the higher rate and lower rate areas have infection rates that are tiny compared to Liverpool and Merseyside but people from those areas are free to enter Wales.

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Re: Level 1 for Chania. Level 3 Herakleion New guidelines

Postby Keltz » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:45 am

A difference between the flue and Covid is that Covid has been directly linked to economic activity.

Pre Covid you worked, say, 9 to 5 at the office, post Covid you work at home or in the office. The latter depending on a measurement of risk now defined by Level of risk each given a number, allowing economic activity to continue while there is no vaccine available.

This has of course been extended into social activity where the same risk applies and is more contentious with encroachment on personal liberties and human rights. I have no doubt much data is being collected on our reaction to such changes that we all expect to be temporary.

When a vaccine is available the economic risk may reduce to that similar to the flue.

We are all immigrants Yorgo.

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Re: Level 1 for Chania. Level 3 Herakleion New guidelines

Postby Kilkis » Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:03 am

Agree with your last statement, Keltz.

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PS I don't know about your house but my chimneys nothing like COVID-19? Sorry. The devil made me write it.

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Re: Level 1 for Chania. Level 3 Herakleion New guidelines

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Re: Level 1 for Chania. Level 3 Herakleion New guidelines

Postby Kilkis » Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:15 pm

True. There are a few who post on here who were immigrants but went back where they came from so no longer are. I must admit I am not sure why they are still interested in a forum that was built to provide information for immigrants on the back of a web site that was built to provide information for immigrants on the back of a book that was written to provide information for immigrants.

Those of us who stay are all immigrants.

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Re: Level 1 for Chania. Level 3 Herakleion New guidelines

Postby Yorgo » Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:02 pm

So a generalisation, sweeping at that, is saying what?? It matters not if "we are all immigrants" many are migrants. The point is if there is a "killer virus pandemic" mitigating total shutdown makes no sense. In UK you can not mix with your next door neighbour - but you can legally and illegally enter the UK on a Dinghy from some far off land - not a problem. It matters not, also, if the policy of control is 1 tier 2 tiers or 20 tiers the point is whether a "killer virus pandemic" is a threat or not. It can not be a threat in Heraklion but not a threat in Rethymnon. Just as in UK, it is (or was) not a threat before 10 pm but is a serious threat after 10 pm. Flu has killed hundreds of millions of people. My point in principle still stands.
Apparently, according to US News: the WHO says lockdowns do not work and cause more harm than no lockdowns. I agree. Another news report says that "Wetherspoons can remain open" while thousands of good pubs will close forever. Although I have not double checked that.


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