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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:31 am
by SatCure
andheath wrote:more than 2000 years of mankind's breading for a purpose.

Ah, yummy. I like to bread my fish before cooking. :)

We used to have 3 cats but one had to be planted last year, because it had a tumour. I'm hoping it (the cat) doesn't sprout. We'll leave the other two with our son when we move to Crete. They'll probably live longer because he can't afford the vet's euthanasia fees. There again, he probably can't afford their special diet food.

Interestingly, I watched a programme this evening about how the Russians tested their rockets manned by dogs. Seems a hellish expensive way to kill a dog!

(Yeah, I'm sick, sick sick.) :oops:

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:55 am
by Retired in Crete
MartinP wrote:(Yeah, I'm sick, sick sick.) :oops:


No you are not - That was bl**dy funny! I cannot stop laughing.

John

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:09 am
by The Adjectival LFB
MartinP wrote:
andheath wrote:more than 2000 years of mankind's breading for a purpose.

Ah, yummy. I like to bread my fish before cooking. :)



I just knew that one was coming!


MartinP wrote:Interestingly, I watched a programme this evening about how the Russians tested their rockets manned by dogs. Seems a hellish expensive way to kill a dog!



No doubt Kilkis will be along soon!



Regards,LFB.

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:02 am
by Clio
Andheath wrote:


Please do not confuse wild animals with the animals that result from more than 2000 years of mankind's breading for a purpose.


I’ll try to stop doing that if you stop confusing animals with human beings.

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:34 pm
by SatCure
Our cats are definitely not human. I've observed them over a lot of years and their responses are all automated. They are pre-programmed for self-preservation and obtaining food. If they learn that a certain action produces food, they repeat it. If they learn that another action results in a beating, they do it surreptitiously and cower if observed!

But there is very little real intelligence. I have tried repeatedly to show our cats that it's much easier to get food from the bottom of a tin by raking with a paw than by sticking their heads in. They simply don't get it. They will starve before they will put a paw into a tin.

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:56 pm
by filippos
Dunno what the world's coming to, Martin. You've actually made me grin .................................. twice.



P.S. "Dunno" was deliberate.

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:16 pm
by Kilkis
The point is that everything we do that alters the world or the lives of animals in it could be described as "playing God". For example, over history, people have died of many diseases. We developed medicines to prevent that happening. Were we playing God? Should we have not developed those cures? Is treating a cat with Frontline to stop it getting ticks and fleas or vaccinating it against feline diseases not playing god but neutering it is? I could post pages of such examples.

As I said before, I fully expect people to have different opinions. It would be a strange world if we didn't. I still maintain, however, that to argue that your point of view is correct because the other point of view is "Playing God" is "Puerile and Crass". I will make one exception. If you are a Jehovah's Witness then you have a deeply held religious belief that all such activities are "Playing God" and you are prepared to die for that belief. I wouldn't agree with your belief but in that case I would suggest that you are entitled to use the "Playing God" argument.

Warwick

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:11 pm
by pinch
BRAVO!!!!

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:01 am
by andheath
RIC - Get a life, please.

MartinP - Thank you for injecting humour.

Kilkis - I wish I could make a point like you do.

Clio - "Companion animals" look it up.

LIC - The best thread for a long time.............

ALFB - you never answered the question, too busy playing God?

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:32 am
by andheath
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8147566.stm

sneaky buggers, I take it all back.

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:55 am
by paulh
Thousands of years ago cats were worshipped as gods.
Cats have never forgotten this

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:56 pm
by Retired in Crete
andheath wrote:
ALFB - you never answered the question, too busy playing God?


Hey "Kindred Spirit",
You never answered mine either.

John

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:35 pm
by andheath
I am not sure what your question was.

This is mine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgIsMGZkYfc

The people in this town know who did this. Will anything happen to them?