Smoking Ban - Confused?

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Smoking Ban - Confused?

Postby Carolina » Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:04 pm

So the government has stopped shy of imposing a blanket ban, and critics say this will render the new law as ineffective as the two previous ones — which were generally ignored by smokers and authorities alike.

Some of the exclusions from the ban:
- All hospitals and health services will be smoke free — apart from mental institutions, where patients will be able to smoke under prescription "for purely curative purposes," according to the new law. !!

- Casino gaming areas are excluded from the ban.

- Establishments under 70sqm can be designated smoking or non smoking. Those which are smoking establishments cannot allow entry to persons under 18 years, even if they are with a parent.

The day before the law came into force the government were still making last minute amendments, and there is great confusion with many bar and cafe owners taking a 'wait and see' attitude.

It'll never work without a total blanket ban. Oh well, back to my ciggies.

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Postby Assimilate » Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:24 pm

Well at least they stopped smoking in my office, so now I don't have to breath it at work.

Now it's just whether I will be able to go out in the winter to eat or not. Time will tell.

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Re: Smoking Ban - Confused?

Postby filippos » Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:14 pm

Carolina wrote:It'll never work without a total blanket ban.
Is the blanket ban to be applied in winter?

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Re: Smoking Ban - Confused?

Postby Barbary Coaster » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:51 pm

filippos wrote:
Carolina wrote:It'll never work without a total blanket ban.
Is the blanket ban to be applied in winter?


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Despite the high cost of living it remains popular

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Postby Carolina » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:55 am

Duvets only?

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Postby filippos » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:06 pm

Only exempt if you have all the correct documentation?

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Postby katowales » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:14 pm

In Mental Health Units in the UK patients are allowed to smoke in designated areas. If you have ever worked with people with mental health problems then you will know why. A ward full of smokers with mental illness, which has obviously required admission, (and the majority are smokers) being prevented from smoking is a recipe for disaster!

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Postby filippos » Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:18 pm

Smoking is allowed in UK prisons for similar reasons.

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Postby andheath » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:00 pm

The Smoking Police were in Sitia this morning complete with measuring equipment to test air quality inside buildings. They took samples in tavernas, cafenions and shops. The owners of any premises that failed the test in terms of air quality was issued with a formal warning.
This Cretan Adventure thing is way beyond a joke.

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Postby rainbowmir » Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:21 pm

Another area for the "brown envelope"...
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Postby PaddyPop » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:12 pm

Someone said to me that it's already come in. Can't say that I've noticed. They're still puffing away like mad here and I've never had anyone in a bar or restaurant say anything to me when I light up either.

When it came in back home we all complied quietly like frightened sheep.
But folk down here don't seem to have gotten the knack of quiet compliance quite yet. (And their sheep aren't as frightened either)

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Postby Kilkis » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:45 pm

Just been across to the mainland and back on the ferry. Minoan, Heraklion to Piraeus, going and ANEK, Piraeus to Chania, back. ALL indoor areas now non-smoking. Smoking only allowed on outside decks. Strictly enforced. Announced over tannoy. Fine if caught breaking the rules.

One local cafe that is also a cake shop is also now non-smoking.

Seems to be happening to some extent, much to my surprise.

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Smoking Ban - Confused

Postby OrientalE10 » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:27 pm

Yet the drivers still smoke on the 'no smoking' buses.

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Postby PaddyPop » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:02 am

of course there's also a wearing a helmet when riding on a motorbike law - was a huge success down here.

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Postby Vertiginous » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:52 pm

The Smoking Police were in Sitia this morning complete with measuring equipment to test air quality inside buildings. They took samples in tavernas, kafenions and shops. The owners of any premises that failed the test in terms of air quality was issued with a formal warning.


Excellent. I've seen no such policing in Chania yet however. They need to do this a bit and issue a few fines just to flex the muscle, or people will start ignoring the law. That said, the ban appears to be very effective in public buildings and even shops, much to my astonishment.

I agree that a total ban indoors is the best way but any progress in this area is much welcome for me. Well done Greece and a hearty congratulations to the Health Minister, who is my hero! Looking forward to more progress.

The 70 sq m exemption is the biggest disappointment however. I have yet to find a non-smoking bar in all of Crete, and am unlikely to now, since 99.99999% of these are < 70 sq m, which of course is the whole idea. Greeks should note that Turkey (the old nemesis) has just extended their smoking bans to ALL bars.

They also need to enforce a discrimination between "public places" = non-smoking and public places containing cafes. The KTEL bus station in Chania is a case in point: miraculously, there is suddenly no smoking in the waiting hall (which is great), except there is a little cafe partitioned off in the corner - air flows freely in and out of this, there are no doors that close, no separation of ventilation. Card players sit in there smoking all day stinking up the waiting area! Presumably KTEL are hoping that is defined as a <70 sq m cafe but it is NOT separate in any meaningful way from the bus station waiting area. And just how are they supposed to prevent children from entering the cafe from the bus station - which means it is illegal as a "smoking" cafe. Cafes/bars in public areas like this need to simply not be entitled to the 70 sq m exemption, period. Otherwise they will split hairs over what is "separate" etc.

They also need to start issuing fines in cafes <70 sq m where children are present, which means there cannot be any smoking.

This type of thing needs to be clamped down on now.

As for bus drivers - yes a few are still trying to smoke, ditto taxi drivers. I have nearly come to blows with a few taxi drivers in the past over their refusal to put out a cigarette. A few taxi drivers have refused to take me in the past if they could not smoke - which was illegal before the ban - both the refusal (if their 'vacant' sign was up) and the smoking. But, even before July 1 2009, I found if you asked a bus driver to put out his cigarette because smoking is not allowed, they will. They don't want you reporting them, it's not worth it. Greece needs to clamp down on this further, we should no longer have to risk a torrent of abuse for asking a driver to put out a cigarette.

One more thing: where are the signs? I thought there were supposed to be signs indicating which establishments were smoking and which were not?

Does anyone have a link to the text of the final law translated into English?


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