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Re: SYRIZA

Postby Ray » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:38 am

It seems that hearts are speaking louder than heads.

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/ar ... NM4zC5Cg7s

Don't ever forget that Syriza personalities are a long way from from rock stars and pretty celebrities.

Ray

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Re: SYRIZA

Postby George » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:46 am

Ray wrote:It seems that hearts are speaking louder than heads.

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/ar ... NM4zC5Cg7s

Don't ever forget that Syriza personalities are a long way from from rock stars and pretty celebrities.

Ray


Did they cut and paste that from Ekathimerini?

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Re: SYRIZA

Postby Kilkis » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:00 pm

Yes the article really does point out how terrible Syriza is. "In its core, Syriza supports the project of ensuring that humanity lives within its environmentally and economically limited means." God how disgusting is that. "And it promises to ‘create decent jobs, distribute the wealth produced more fairly, and respect the environment’." Shocking! I'm appalled. Obviously we want to get back to a system that rapes the planet and its citizens for the benefit of the 0.1 %.

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Re: SYRIZA

Postby Phild » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:15 pm

I couldn't agree more Warwick!

As Fawzi Ibrahim says, in his book 'Capitalism versus Planet Earth – an irreconcilable conflict':
A stark choice faces humanity: save the planet and ditch capitalism or save capitalism and ditch the planet


It's humanity versus the market - and because the market can't regulate itself, we, or our political leaders will have to - otherwise we will either have to find ourselves a new planet, or we and our children are all going to have to live in a toxic hell.
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Re: SYRIZA

Postby YoMo2 » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:21 pm

Well, it seems you can't please everyone. Certainly not whatever bunch of student radicals or reactionaries, (I can' tell which..), wrote that article.

I would say however, that they have a point when they slag off, by implication, the lovefest with Syriza that seems to be happening. See earlier posts in this thread for example.

But it's only understandable that we pin our hopes on a party that at least appears to be genuinely wanting change. Let's not underestimate the challenge they face. We may have to accept some disappointment along the way.

Good luck to them, I say.

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Re: SYRIZA

Postby Kilkis » Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:27 pm

Personally I think capitalism ended some time ago so I'm not sure why it keeps getting referred to. Capitalism is based on capital. Capital is created by labour producing goods and services. People tend to think of money as capital. It isn't. Money is simply a token that we use to represent capital and to facilitate the exchange of capital. In a sense it is the earliest derivative. It derives, or rather used to derive, its value from the underlying real capital that it represents. This is fundamental to all capitalism but was abandoned in the mid seventies. Money is now meaningless. It has no underlying value but we continue to pretend that it does. Hopefully, eventually, the nightmare will end and we will wake up to the real world.

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Re: SYRIZA

Postby Retired in Crete » Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:30 pm

Kilkis wrote: Money is now meaningless. It has no underlying value. Warwick


I can help here!

Anyone with these meaningless, valueless pieces of paper can send them to me for environmental friendly disposal.

I am happy to supply carrier approved recyclable bags and boxes or collection can be arranged.

PM for further details.

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Re: SYRIZA

Postby Phild » Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:13 am

Kilkis wrote:Personally I think capitalism ended some time ago so I'm not sure why it keeps getting referred to...

Warwick


Perhaps it's because:
    "Down with Post-Capitalist meaningless derivative token-ism"

doesn't fit on a placard? :wink:
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Re: SYRIZA

Postby jet » Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:23 am

It’s all change again for Greece’s tax system

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_ar ... 015_546899

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Re: SYRIZA

Postby Clio » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:14 am

Oh no! I knew I should have flogged the Picasso.....

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Re: SYRIZA

Postby Kilkis » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:25 am

Some of the income tax changes are not really new. Only a few years ago Greece had increased tax free allowance for families with children. They were especially beneficial for families with three children, i.e. small increase in allowance for 1 child, another small increase for 2 children, big increase for three children then further small increases for more than 3. Similarly there used to be many more tax bands. For example below is how the structure was in 2010:

First €12,000 Rate 0 %
Next € 4,000 Rate 18 %
Next € 6,000 Rate 24 %
Next € 4,000 Rate 26 %
Next € 6,000 Rate 32 %
Next € 8,000 Rate 36 %
Next € 20,000 Rate 38 %
Next € 40,000 Rate 40 %
>€100,000 Rate 45 %

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose as you English say.

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Re: SYRIZA

Postby Retired in Crete » Fri Feb 06, 2015 1:46 pm

Clio wrote:Oh no! I knew I should have flogged the Picasso.....


It would be interesting to know how they would value it.

(If it is the one stolen in Athens a couple of years ago, please give it a wipe to get my fingerprints off the frame!)

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Re: SYRIZA

Postby scooby » Fri Feb 06, 2015 3:18 pm

Retired in Crete wrote:
Clio wrote:Oh no! I knew I should have flogged the Picasso.....


It would be interesting to know how they would value it.

(If it is the one stolen in Athens a couple of years ago, please give it a wipe to get my fingerprints off the frame!)

John
Tut tut, don't you know you should always cut the painting out of the frame while on the wall with a stanley knife...amateurs :lol:
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Re: SYRIZA

Postby moved 2 crete » Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:16 pm

Now then boys playtime over. :D
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Re: SYRIZA

Postby Clio » Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:44 pm

OK. Another lucid analysis of the state of play, from over the pond:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/06/opini ... share&_r=0


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