Kilkis wrote:There is only one way Syriza can break the cycle, Clio, and that is to remove Greece from the Euro. The people of Greece have told them quite firmly that they don't want that. Surely the people of Greece must realise that as long as they insist on staying in the Euro then they have given up all control of their economy? Syriza is then a government in name only. It doesn't matter what you or I think or support, only the Greek people can decide their fate.
I don't blame Syriza for failing to achieve their goals. It was obvious that those goals were impossible. I blame them for selling those goals to the Greek people. They did what every other politician has done for ever. They sold the message that they thought would get them elected. I would have more respect if they told the truth. Virtually all the problems in the world exist because politicians never tell their electorate the truth. They spin a fairy tale that is most likely to win their votes.
Syriza should have framed the referendum question completely honestly.
"The rest of the Eurozone have presented the Greek negotiating team with an ultimatum:
1 Either we accept more austerity, further reductions in GDP and increased unemployment in order to stay in the Eurozone
2 Leave the Eurozone, return to a Greek national currency and default on all our debts.
Place a cross next to the option you wish the Greek government to adopt"
bobscott wrote:... At the time, and this is crucial, there were no plans within the Greek banking system (so we are told) to have a Greek national currency. There was nothing to issue to people. Nothing in the banks. Just the prospect of utter chaos...
The country now has some breathing space in which to remain alive for a while longer.
One elephant (of several) in the room is that so many of these elected and appointed elite want to feather their own nests with as much goose down as possible. To this end they indulge in much lobbying, skulduggery and have many undisclosed interests (or stuff they try to hide in the shadows) that conflict.Kilkis wrote:I think that talk of regime change is just a conspiracy theorist way of describing reality. The people making the decisions are elected solely by their own citizens. They want an outcome that will satisfy their own citizens. They want a Greek government that is compliant and meets their objective of satisfying their own electorate.
Clio wrote:The country now has some breathing space in which to remain alive for a while longer.
Indeed. And some money coming in, and a stabilising banking sector, and universal acknowledgement of the impossibility of the debt....
There is a school of thought which says that in accepting that outrageous deal Tsipras was playing a longer game, aiming to achieve these improved conditions as a basis for a government-managed Grexit which might, possibly have been the aim all along.
bobscott wrote:Is it just not possible that by accepting these outrageous and punitive measures, Tsipras has given himself and those who govern the Greek nation time to make some kind of preparation for a Grexit - i.e. to actually have something physically tangible to give to people to replace the euro, and a system in place to handle it?
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