The system isn’t working

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Rick
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Re: The system isn’t working

Postby Rick » Wed May 05, 2021 8:09 am

Greece is back to work today, and the temporary AMKA shambles still persists! However, some influential tweets are starting to appear, such as those below,. Perhaps the Greek Government will take notice and get a grip on this complete and utter debacle !!


Niko Efstathiou (Ekathimerini journalist)
@NikoEfst tweeted:

A major gap in Greece's otherwise very successful vaccination program: the platform doesn't seem to work for non-Greek residents. Most still aren't receiving temporary AMKAs after applying online. Those that do can't make use them, as the system doesn't seem to recognise them.

Vangelis Andrikopoulos, (Analyst at Outlier Ventures, who was named in the 2019 edition of the Forbes “30 Under 30” list which features the most exceptional and innovative entrepreneurs in Europe.
@GreekAnalyst replied:

If Greece wants to attract foreigners (as students, workers, investors and residents) to the country, it should definitely make sure problems like these do not arise.

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Re: The system isn’t working

Postby RobiS » Thu May 06, 2021 2:28 pm

Maybe things are shifting. Or I'm just an outlier. My temp amka arrived today via text message. Haven't tested it yet to see if it works. That's almost asking too much :) But assume it will eventually.

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Re: The system isn’t working

Postby hairybloke » Fri May 07, 2021 1:58 pm

Can I ask when you registered for it, RobiS? And did you register in Greek? Thanks. HB

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Re: The system isn’t working

Postby RobiS » Fri May 07, 2021 6:38 pm

Yes, looking back at screenshots I registered on April 4, 26 and 28 respectively (so actually not that long ago really). I think the first two times with my residence permit number, and the last time with my passport number. Everything was in English except the address lines, which have to be in Greek. My Greek is poor so I used Google to help with that.

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Re: The system isn’t working

Postby Rick » Sat May 08, 2021 7:19 am

RobiS wrote: Everything was in English except the address lines, which have to be in Greek.

I’m a bit puzzled why all fields of the application can be submitted in English, with the exception of the address fields. I’d of thought that the post code would be sufficient to identify the municipality.

Did you see some specific instructions somewhere about entering the address in Greek RobiS ?
Thanks. Rick.

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Re: The system isn’t working

Postby hairybloke » Sat May 08, 2021 11:54 am

Thanks Robi. Is there any way you can tell which of your three tries worked? So, when you got your temporary AMKA did it reference your application number? Rick, when I registered I filled in every field in English. When I hit submit (or whatever) it then said the address fields had to be in Greek. From memory, there was nothing to say that on the form before you hit submit.

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Re: The system isn’t working

Postby Kilkis » Sat May 08, 2021 5:00 pm

In case it is of any help this is an update on what happened to two of my friends. They had no residency status whatsoever, no ΑΦΜ, no residency certificate, no property etc. Although they had been here for some months they were essentially tourists.

Because they had no ΑΦΜ they could only register for a temporary AMKA number through KEP, which they did several weeks ago. They kept asking KEP for an update but initially were simply told to wait. The last time they enquired KEP said that they could now issue them with an temporary AMKA and to go back to the office. They went to the KEP office on Wednesday 28 April, just before Pascha, and each of them was issued with a paper showing a temporary AMKA number.

They did not have Greek mobiles so they gave the Greek mobile number of a neighbour. You cannot be contacted on a UK mobile.

On Thursday 6 May, i.e. just over 1 week later, the neighbour received a text confirming the AMKA number for one of them but not the other.

On Friday 7 May they both went to our local friendly pharmacist. When she checked, both AMKA numbers were live on the system and she was able to book vaccination appointments for both of them. The appointments are for the Pfizer vaccine at the naval base at Souda.

Two other friends also registered through the local KEP at the same time. They do have an ΑΦΜ, own property and one of them has a beige residency card. KEP could register them BUT could NOT issue them with a temporary AMKA number. They are still waiting to be contacted by SMS.

It is pretty clear that the way the system behaves depends on your status. If people are going to post their own experience it is probably important that they also report their status, e.g. with ΑΦΜ or without, with own property or without, with beige residency certificate or without etc.

Warwick

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Re: The system isn’t working

Postby RobiS » Sat May 08, 2021 5:18 pm

Hi HB, no the text is very short. Pretty much just the AMKA and then says book an appointment with a Kep or Emvolio. No sense of which application worked. My sense is it's really random, with little relationship to when you applied, what your application number is. My lowest application number from the first time I applied was 10172, and I'm guessing many people here have lower numbers. I was hoping this was an indication that things were speeding up, but so far no friends and no one I follow on twitter etc or here apparently has got one. So I'm wondering if it was just pure luck, and the system remains agonizingly slow.

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Re: The system isn’t working

Postby Rick » Wed May 12, 2021 6:37 am

Niko Efstathiou (eKathimerini journalist) tweeted yesterday:

@nikoefst
While 1 in 4 Greeks has gotten one dose of the vaccine, tens of thousands of foreign residents with tax numbers still say they can't get temporary AMKAs and remain excluded from the vaccine programme. The issue has been raised since Feb. At this point, inactivity is inexcusable.

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Re: The system isn’t working

Postby Rick » Wed May 12, 2021 2:46 pm

Living in Crete seems to be getting WORSE for those awaiting a temp AMKA number and subsequent vaccination !!
(Your comments noted in the article attached below Warwick.)

“The goal is the universal vaccination of all residents of the Greek islands by the end of June with the exception of Crete, a high-ranking health official said.”

https://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2021/ ... nation-jj/

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Re: The system isn’t working

Postby Kilkis » Wed May 12, 2021 5:06 pm

Rick wrote:Living in Crete seems to be getting WORSE for those awaiting a temp AMKA number and subsequent vaccination !!...


Could you explain how "LiC is getting WORSE"? I am simply reporting what is happening from my personal experience and trying to provide detailed information of what has worked in case it helps anybody.

I have made no criticism of people who have not managed to get an AMKA number. Clearly they want to get vaccinated and want to get it as soon as possible. So would I. Clearly the system isn't working for some people but is working for others. The government should fix that. I've spent quite a bit of my time helping people to try to get vaccination appointments, either directly or indirectly, sometimes with success and sometimes not.

My comment on the KTG article are not opinions they are simply facts. All governments have concentrated their efforts on vaccinating the most vulnerable first. The Greek government started mass vaccination, i.e. everybody not just the most vulnerable, on small islands with less than 1,000 people. They could do that with a relatively small specialist team and a relatively small number of vaccines so it had little impact on the aim of vaccinating the most vulnerable in the rest of Greece. They did it to make those islands safe tourist destinations. As their vaccination capability and vaccination of the most vulnerable steadily increased, they continued the mass vaccination strategy to larger islands working their way up to around islands with 10,000. Crete is an important tourist destination but it also has 650,000 people so it is not really practical to apply that strategy here. It is roughly equal to the population of Athens city or most of Thessaloniki. If they had the capability to do mass vaccination on that scale they would be better to do it in those cities since they have the highest infection rates.

I understand that there are thousands of people who don't have an AMKA number and can't get vaccinated but there are millions of people waiting to be vaccinated in the population who do have AMKA numbers. Any government will prioritise the millions over the thousands.

Warwick

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Re: The system isn’t working

Postby Rick » Wed May 12, 2021 6:57 pm

Kilkis wrote:
Could you explain how "LiC is getting WORSE"? there are millions of people waiting to be vaccinated in the population who do have AMKA numbers. Any government will prioritise the millions over the thousands.


In my opinion, for the purpose of receiving a life saving covid vaccination, an individual aged 60- 90 living in Crete should take priority over an individual aged 30 -50 living in, say, Paxos,
That's how LIC is getting WORSE !

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Re: The system isn’t working

Postby Kilkis » Wed May 12, 2021 7:18 pm

Are you referring to the forum Living in Crete or the physical act of Living in Crete? I thought you were referring to the forum and hence my previous response.

If you are referring to the physical act then I agree with your sentiment, Rick, BUT I still have reservations as to why it is getting worse in a practical way. For example I got my first dose on 22 February and my second on 16 March. It has made no difference to my life whatsoever. Recent changes in government rules have made small changes in my life but none of them depended on me being vaccinated. Basically I can now go to a taverna once per week with some friends while until the 3 May I could not. I could do that whether I was vaccinated or not. Other than that nothing has changed.

Warwick

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Re: The system isn’t working

Postby Rick » Wed May 12, 2021 8:17 pm

I am referring to the physical act of living in Crete.
I find it aborhant, that for the purpose of vaccinations, small islands should take priority over larger islands (where elderly residents may reside) - such as Crete.

In my opinion, individuals should be prioritised by age and health conditions, not geographical location.

It's obvious that Greece is prioritising tourism revenue to the detriment of mass vaccinations. Individuals awaiting temporary AMKA numbers are a minority, but should benefit from a vaccine program based on age and health vulnerability

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Re: The system isn’t working

Postby Jean » Wed May 12, 2021 10:07 pm

I find it aborhant, that for the purpose of vaccinations, small islands should take priority over larger islands (where elderly residents may reside) - such as Crete.

Small islands tend to have quite old populations. They also don't have easy access to hospitals. To me it makes complete sense protecting them from Covid ahead ofa large island like Crete that has several hospitals (including a university hospital).


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